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The Ivy Exile's avatar

I appreciate your metaphor of tomatoes vs. ketchup, and LOL'd at "progressive-cause-via-conservative-temperament routine," but am not sure that the keynote speaker's dramatic anecdote holds water (in my experience the "food desert" discourse often plays fast and loose with facts). Pretty much every commercial and ad for fast food burgers/sandwiches includes a stack of lettuce and tomatoes. It's plausible that the kid might not have known the word tomato, or might not have ever eaten one or encountered an unsliced one, but it seems unlikely that he wouldn't at least vaguely recognize the red circle things on burgers sometimes.

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Brian Van Nieuwenhoven's avatar

Even within New York City, and occasionally within warring groups in downtown Manhattan neighborhoods, you get some version of the sides of this debate where there is a side that engages in a part-suburban lifestyle, feels threatened by urbanism (by way of looming redevelopment and parking reductions), and pursues their grievances with a VERY receptive media market (the TV anchors get personal limos, many of the newspaper editors still drive, Rupert Murdoch’s empire, etc). You feel like you’re going crazy when you see a community group emerge that says “no more tall buildings” or “how will I get to the doctor without a car??!?!?” (In Manhattan, and also in BK/Queens really close to here too)

It is definitely possible to keep a car in Manhattan, although it is an expensive pain. The people who do have cars here use them inexplicably - it isn’t just edge cases of people driving to Great Barrington frequently, but it’s also people who don’t go anywhere with their cars but to make Costco runs... with a small apartment where they can’t fit the stuff from Costco... and people who also inexplicably try to drive to restaurants and engage in an hour-long ritual of trying to find parking near the restaurant. Perhaps they did this since a time in the city where parking was a bit more plentiful and fewer tourists were around, and maybe they know the hours where driving is easier. But in any case, they’re more cases of “eats the ketchup, never saw the tomato”. I’m not saying these people are representative - many of them strongly give the impression of borderline personality disorder - but they’re a curious edge case, and they’re not that hard to find.

More relevant is the vast swath of single-family home owners in the eastern parts of Queens and Brooklyn, with sparse subway coverage and irritatingly unreliable bus service, where everyone lives a fully car-enabled lifestyle and they feel quite hostile about modernization and upzoning. They are so hostile about it that they actively obstruct things that people in the urban core need; they don’t want “the city” to creep into their neighborhoods, and have little solidarity with the residents of the other boroughs. You get this sense that the suburban residents of the city, and of the region when it comes to Albany, gang up on the people who chose to be among the 2m or so who live in the dense, transit-rich parts of the city. Instead of thinking of the core of the city as a jewel and an economic engine, they’ve convinced themselves of some wild notions about their neighbors - one of which is that we who don’t need cars are actually living the substandard lifestyle here. It is not a concept to be expanded! And the car-driving folks are entitled to impose whatever externalities onto the non-car-drivers in order to ensure that driving in this city merely remains difficult but not impossible.

(And, again, it’s hard for the non-driving folks to engage with these arguments if the news sources here decided that the suburbs are their main commercial market)

I think this all aligns with “people don’t even know exactly what they’re refusing”. And I think a really great bit of evidence of that is that it’s not exactly this great boon to have a house right on the edge of the walkable city, with a personal garage. Those houses are expensive but not “oligarchs buying them up” expensive. There is still extremely high demand here for walkable living, to the extent that people don’t even wait for apartment viewings anymore to make offers. (And there is no 10% or 20% down on purchases. It’s all cash or nothing.) All the people moving here, in great numbers, want THAT experience. Others are entitled to say it’s “not for them” but for these nearby residents to argue that urbanists are dangerous fools who will run NYC into the ground is... quite something else.

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